In the last 3 days I collected roughly 20 killmails of suicide gankers and i am actually enjoying it.

dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.

I've also read somewhere that, for example, -3.0 sec status players are already free game (for any other player) in 0.5-0.8, but I haven't been able to confirm it.

Ok. Punishments for ganking:
1. You get a kill right on you. So what? It's not like you gank with your incursion running character.

There in lays the problem with highsec. You can't shoot back first.

When you spend all your time defending things the way they are instead of thinking of ways to improve them, it is surely the end of times.

1 person is a fleet these days?

Why do you care that highsec is a boring place full of dumb noobs and people who are happy doing things that are pretty boring? Why is it so essential to the bitter vet community that high sec of all places becomes crappier for the people who actually want to live there.

Please don't give me that 'creating content' stuff btw, it's already boring. Perhaps if people actually lived in low sec more, you'd get more genuine content instead of all this stamping on carebears crap.

If that's about right, then I don't see what all the fuss is about.

It has always been a problem for the victim.
It has never been a problem for the ganker.

We like conflict right?

Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.

Can flipping is dead. What happened to can flipping is what bears want to do to all forms of pvp in high sec that can impact them.

Try again with the simple obvious addition of excluding the ships that are not industrial from your jump tables. Do that by takign the percentage of ships in eve that are industrial /freighter and multiply your value by the inverse.

The number suddenly rises a LOT.

Your traffic scenario of 35k jumps a day being all haulers

On an unrelated note, today is my birthday, and I'm posting to the EVE-O forums. How sad is dat?

We need *1* more poster to make it appropriately "315".

I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted.

(1083 / 183) * 100 = 16.900% chance of being ganked.

Food for discussion.

While I agree that suicide ganking is lame, I don't really see this as a way to fix it..

However, having a frig 1/1000 the size of a freighter harmlessly bounce off each other seems to really stretch the bounds. Every other spaceship/flying game i can think of has some sort of collision damage.

Wouldn't work anyway, if there was collision damage you would have CONCORD turn up and destroy the aggressor even if it was an accident. CONCORD would probably build that wall quicker than you.

I can't even move around space without someone following me with the intention of ganking me.

If CODE continues to gank and loot in High Sector subscribers will cancel their subs because they will have to spend more and more real money replacing the lost in game items of value. Once subscribers begin to leave CCP loses revenue that will cause employees to be laid off because of the lack of funds coming in from subs. Once the employee base of CCP begins to fade so to will the revenue that goes into the communities that CCP is present in thus taking away from the lively hood of real world based communities.

So suicide ganking has been in EVE since 2003, but 2014 is the year it's causing subscriptions to fall because...?

might even knock ganking off the front page for a day or two.....

For something to implied or inferred it needs context. The context here is the game is Eve Online. The security provided by concord is high - compared to the security provided by gate guns alone.

Also yes.

Yes there is an agenda, to make ganking harder. You only just got that? The pointless ganking of empty ships in what is supposed to be a reasonably safe area of space by large groups of organised players is not good for the game.

Ever since they added the option of fixing status with tags, ganking has just sky rocketed

there is no consequences to ganking

null sec is the safest of all places

This is a true story.

An all expanded freighter w/ only 2 PLEX in the hold was purified in the Holy Anti-matter tonight. And we're the bad guys?

I'd like to see CCP use the Ultima Online stat-loss system where victims of highsec non-wardec kills could flag their murders, and when the criminals die, every single character in their account(s) lose 5% to 25% (depending on notoriety) skill points across all skills. That ought to slow down suicide-gankers.

So what would happen in real space?

Maybe start with there is a HUGE space station WITH ONLY ONE EXIT. Space is 360 degrees yet for some reason we are all released on a single plane? Why not just reverse the entrance mechanic?

I agree with everything you've said but it seems better to me if they make it so smaller vessels cannot bump larger ones or do away with bumping entirely. Its just ridiculous that this "emergent gameplay" has been accepted by CCP as a means to prevent other players from warping without using warp disruptors and irrespective of warp core stabilizers. It looks ridiculous too, and is not fair gameplay, but CCP still apparently doesn't think its a problem enough to do anything about it. It just goes to show you how separated they are from the concept of fair gameplay. There are so many things like that that are only not considered a problem only because not a lot of people were doing it.

zero risk activity

You kids should hear yourselves.

Sorry, but I don't think anyone can take you or baltec1 very seriously.

[Whereas you have provided zero evidence at all that suicide ganking is a high-profit risk-free activity.

Hey I resemble that remark

its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times.

Pointing out problems in the game mechanics and suggesting reasonable improvements is not "negative energy."

The fact that a lot of professional gankers, or their alts, meet such with hysteria and abuse does not make me culpable for the "negative energy."

I'll give you a freebie.

You have a couple friends jump in flying cheap ships with multiple webs, while you're being bumped. Something like 3-4 webs each. Have them web you. You'll fling off into warp in ~2 seconds then.

[quote=baltec1]Requires webbers (who the gankers are happy to shoot first), may be unable to align to the celestial, and may be unable to align to the interceptor.

these tricks apparently aren't helping, because CODE is blowing freighters up at an alarming clip.

Honestly, as a solution to suicide ganking...

Removal of suicide ganking would be good as it would force these risk averse players into doing actual pvp instead of preying on other players common lack of knowledge of concord response times.

More and more players are turning away from pvp everyday and becomming suicide gankers because its infinitely easier and more profitable and can be done within the relative comfort of high sec with no significant costs or penalties.

The gankers don't target all ships equally....you would need to look at the conditional probability of your freighter being ganked in Uedama, which is probably higher than the number you gave.

i'm not sure what you are saying. The question to be answered is: if you take a freighter into Uedama, what are the chances of it xlpoding.

Ehrmmm....no.....Imagine 100 ships went in, 99 Machariels and one Freighter. All the Machs lived and the Freighter died. The total death rate was 1%. The Freighter death rate was 100%, which is certainly not upwardly bound by the 1% total death rate. See what I'm saying?

Heck, I want to know if he understands the implications of his drop rate suggestion. That one is just baffling.

I'm not sure more mayhem in highsec is good for the game.

their suicide ganking operating will never turn a profit